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Join former White House policy expert Joe Grogan as he cuts through the complexities of healthcare legislation and its real-world implications. Each episode of DC EKG aims to demystify the policies shaping our healthcare system, uncovering how these changes impact patients, providers, and payers across the country.

Latest episodes

Dr. David Eagle: The Hospital Squeeze

DC EKG with Joe Grogan DC EKG Ep 140 | Joe Grogan & Dr. David Eagle: The Hospital Squeeze Guest: Dr. David Eagle, President, American Independent Medical Practice Association Episode Description Joe Grogan sits down with Dr. David Eagle, President of the American Independent Medical Practice Association and board-certified hematologist oncologist from New York Cancer and Blood Specialists, to disc

30 Sep 2026 · 39 min
John Desser: Health Savings Accounts and Market-Based Healthcare Solutions

Joe Grogan talks with John Desser, VP and Head of Government Affairs at Health Equity, about market-based healthcare and why Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) may be its future. John's 35-year career runs from an internship in Senator John McCain's office through the Bush administration, eHealth, and now Health Equity. He recounts how the ACA's first draft nearly wiped out private online insurance ma

28 Sep 2026 · 50 min
Elizabeth Chamblee Birch on The Pain Brokers

Elizabeth Chamblee Birch, law professor and author of The Pain Brokers, exposes a coordinated healthcare fraud scheme targeting over 100,000 women. Stolen HIPAA-protected health records were weaponized by call centers in India and South Florida to convince women they needed emergency mesh removal surgery. Many women were left permanently incontinent after unnecessary procedures. The scheme involve

28 Sep 2026 · 46 min
John Bertrand on FDA Approval, CMS Reimbursement, and AI Healthcare Reality

Guest: John Bertrand, former Digital Diagnostics Episode Description Joe Grogan sits down with John Bertrand, a veteran healthcare technology executive who scaled Digital Diagnostics to 75 health systems and achieved the first FDA approval and CMS reimbursement for an autonomous AI diagnostic device without a physician in the diagnostic loop. Bertrand reveals the harsh realities of bringing AI inn

7 Sep 2026 · 48 min
REFILL | Tomas Philipson on IRA, Inflation, Real Wages, and COVID Policy Tradeoffs (Originally Aired: June 2, 2023)31 Aug 2026 · 54 min
REFILL | Naomi Lopez on Healthcare AI, ACCESS, TEMPO, and the Future of Care (Originally Aired: January 23, 2026)

This is a legacy episode recorded in January 2026. At the time of recording, Naomi Lopez was founder of Nexus Policy Consulting and a leading voice in healthcare policy, healthcare AI, and state health reform. Joe Grogan sits down with Naomi Lopez from Nexus Policy Consulting to recap the first Healthcare AI Policy Summit held in December 2025 in Washington, DC. They discuss big themes shaping hea

24 Aug 2026 · 46 min
REFILL | Jackson Hammond on NHE, CMS Reform, and Making Insurance Almost Obsolete (Originally Aired: January 22, 2026)

In this "REFILL" episode, Joe Grogan sits down with Jackson Hammond from Paragon Health Institute to unpack what the latest CMS National Health Expenditure data says about where U.S. healthcare is headed. They break down spending trends from $5.2 trillion to projections of $8.6 trillion, explaining what changed, what didn't, and what it means for affordability, Medicare, Medicaid, and long-run fis

17 Aug 2026 · 50 min
REFILL | Michael Cannon on STLDI and ACA Coverage: Costs, Choice, and Tradeoffs (Originally Aired: January 27, 2026)

This is a legacy episode recorded in January 2026. At the time of recording, Michael Cannon was Director of Health Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, a leading voice on healthcare reform, the Affordable Care Act, and market-based health policy solutions. Episode Description Joe Grogan sits down with Michael Cannon from the Cato Institute to discuss short-term, limited-duration insurance (STLDI)

10 Aug 2026 · 42 min
REFILL | Ryan Long on 340B Drug Pricing, Enhanced ACA Tax Credits, and Medicare Part D (Originally Aired: September 24, 2025)

Joe Grogan sits down with Ryan Long, healthcare policy expert and senior research fellow at Paragon, to discuss three critical healthcare policy issues facing Congress. First, the Congressional Budget Office's landmark analysis of the 340B drug pricing program, which revealed the program increases federal spending, drives up premiums, and channels most benefits to wealthy hospitals rather than tho

3 Aug 2026 · 47 min
"REFILL" | Dutch Rojas on Healthcare Economics, Direct Contracting, and Tax-Exempt Health Systems (Originally Aired: September 15, 2025)

This is a "REFILL" episode recorded in September 2025. At the time of recording, Dutch Rojas was a healthcare entrepreneur, founder of multiple direct contracting companies, and board member of Physician Led Healthcare for America, with a growing following on social media advocating for market-based healthcare solutions. Joe Grogan sits down with Dutch Rojas, healthcare entrepreneur and social med

27 Jul 2026 · 52 min
"REFILL" | Dr. Brian Miller on FDA Regulatory Reform and the Valley of Death in Medical Innovation (Originally Aired: March 21, 2025)

In this "Refill" episode, Joe Grogan sits down with Dr. Brian Miller to discuss the "Valley of Death" - the gap between FDA approval and CMS coverage - and how regulatory reform can accelerate medical innovation. Miller explains how FDA product review can be made more efficient through automation and algorithmic analysis of routine tasks, allowing highly trained reviewers to focus on clinical inte

20 Jul 2026 · 44 min
"REFILL" | Peter Pitt on FDA Advisory Committees, Make America Healthy Again, and Drug Pricing (Originally Aired: May 23, 2025)

Joe Grogan sits down with Peter Pitt, FDA veteran and expert on healthcare regulation, to discuss FDA advisory committees, the Make America Healthy Again initiative, and critical gaps in pharmaceutical labeling. Pitt addresses why obesity-related drug dosing information is missing from labels, the importance of vaccine safety, food regulation reform, and strategies for lowering drug prices through

13 Jul 2026 · 45 min
"REFILL" - Ryan Long on the ACA Subsidy Fight, Phantom Enrollees, and Reforming 340B

Podcast Title DC EKG with Joe Grogan: A Healthcare Policy Podcast This is a REFILL of Episode 124 - (Original air date: January 27, 2026) Episode Title - Ryan Long on the ACA Subsidy Fight, Phantom Enrollees, and Reforming 340B Episode Description - Joe Grogan is joined by Ryan Long of Paragon Health Institute and the University of Southern California to break down two fights shaping health policy

6 Jul 2026 · 47 min
"REFILL" White House Rivalries and CDC Reform with Dr. Tevi Troy

An episode pulled from the archives, Joe Grogan and Eric Ueland welcome Dr. Tevi Troy, former Deputy Secretary of Health and Human Services, presidential historian, and best selling author of Fight House: Rivalries in the White House from Truman to Trump. First aired in February 2023 at the midpoint of the Biden administration, this conversation diagnoses how White House infighting actually works,

29 Jun 2026 · 48 min
"REFILL" | Dr. Jay Bhattacharya on COVID Infection Rates, Natural Immunity, and the Great Barrington Declaration (Originally Aired: July 20, 2023)

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya on COVID-19 Seroprevalence, Natural Immunity, and the Great Barrington Declaration (Originally Aired July 20, 2023) This episode originally aired on July 20, 2023, the same day Stanford University President Tessier-Levine was forced to resign. Dr. Jay offers detailed commentary on the hostile work environment at Stanford and how government, big tech, and academia conspired to

22 Jun 2026 · 1 h 8 min
Tax Expenditures, 340 B Drug Pricing, and Kidney Donation Reform

DC EKG with Joe Grogan Episode 137: Tax Expenditures, 340 B Drug Pricing, and Kidney Donation Reform Air Date: June 15, 2026 Episode Description In this episode, Joe Grogan sits down with Dr. Ike Brannon, President of Capital Policy Analytics and Senior Fellow at the Jack Kemp Foundation, to discuss hidden tax expenditures, the 340 B drug pricing program, and innovative solutions to the kidney sho

15 Jun 2026 · 46 min
"REFILL" - The Economics of Ozempic and Other Weight Loss Drugs (Originally Aired: May 2024)

DC EKG with Joe Grogan The Economics of Ozempic and Other Weight Loss Drugs Episode 136.5 (“Prescription Refill” – A replay from the archives) Original Air Date: May 2024 In this episode, Joe Grogan welcomes Ben Ippolito, Senior Fellow in Economic Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute, to discuss the rapidly evolving economics of GLP-1 weight loss drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy. Ben e

8 Jun 2026 · 43 min
Tom Barker on The Truth About Drug Pricing Policy

In Episode 136 of DC EKG, Joe Grogan hosts Tom Barker, a top drug-pricing attorney at Foley Hoag and former acting general counsel of Health and Human Services (HHS) under the Bush administration. Tom helped implement Medicare Part D and now advises drugmakers and policymakers on complex pricing issues. The episode traces 20 years of policy: what went right with Part D, what the Inflation Reductio

1 Jun 2026 · 46 min
Dr. Mark McClellan on How FDA and CMS Should Work Together25 May 2026 · 55 min
Dr. Redfield's Warning: Hantavirus| Bird Flu| Long COVID and More

In Episode 134 of DC EKG, former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield joins Joe Grogan to discuss his new book, Redfield's Warning, and break down three major threats to public health: Long COVID, Hantavirus, and bird flu. Dr. Redfield explains the persistent viral reservoirs in long COVID patients, the cognitive dysfunction and autonomic dysfunction that devastate these individuals, and why the feder

18 May 2026 · 49 min