What do fathers pass down to their children—and what does it take to break the patterns we inherit? This week, Talia Schlanger speaks with filmmaker Hubert Davis about his new hockey film Youngblood , a story about a gifted young player and his complicated relationship with his demanding “hockey dad.” Davis reflects on masculinity, fatherhood, the expectations we place on young men, and the lesson

A decade after The Tragically Hip's unforgettable final concert with Gord Downie, Rob Baker and Paul Langlois look back on one of the most emotional moments in Canadian music history. Freshly inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame, the band's longtime guitarists reflect on saying goodbye to their friend and bandmate Gord, the pressure and purpose of that final tour, and the enduring m

What does Survivor reveal about human nature — and what happens when reality TV becomes more real than we expect? This week, Talia Schlanger sits down with two-time Survivor contestant, fan favourite, and author Stephen Fishbach. From the psychological toll of voting people out to the complicated ethics of reality television, Fishbach reflects on what it's really like to compete on one of the most

For years, Rick Campanelli has been one of Canada's most recognizable TV personalities—charming audiences on MuchMusic, ET Canada, and now Breakfast Television. But behind the scenes, he was fighting a secret gambling addiction that threatened his career, finances, relationships, and future. In this candid conversation, Rick opens up like never before in his new memoir, Tempted, about the highs, t

As summer draws to a close, the season has offered powerful reminders of nature's force—from extreme heat to devastating wildfires. In this episode of That Said, Talia Schlanger speaks with two extraordinary guests whose lives have been shaped by deep, transformative relationships with the natural world. First, author and journalist Trina Moyles joins us to discuss her book Black Bear and the arti

What can the animals living alongside us teach us about the future of our planet? Author and social epidemiologist Dan Werb joins Talia Schlanger to discuss his bestselling book Our Wild Familiars: How Animals Are Adapting to Cities and Reshaping the Natural World . From raccoons to rats to coyotes to baboons, Dan explores the surprising ways animals are adapting to human environments—and why unde

What does it take to become the fastest person on Earth? Olympic champion and world-record holder Donovan Bailey joins Talia Schlanger to reflect on the 30 year anniversary of the race that made history, the rivalries that fueled him, and the mindset required to perform under extraordinary pressure. Donovan shares what he learned from competing at the highest level of sport and why the pursuit of

For decades, comedian Margaret Cho has used humor to talk about the things many people struggle to say out loud. Margaret joins Talia Schlanger for a candid conversation about body image, disordered eating, aging, and the pressures placed on women to look a certain way. She reflects on her experiences in the entertainment industry, the complicated relationship many people have with their bodies, a

Can a comedy show feel more like summer camp? Comedian, writer, and The Daily Show correspondent Josh Johnson joins Talia Schlanger to talk about the live experience he created to bring fans together through comedy, music, and community. Josh reflects on hosting The Daily Show , keeping up with his massively popular YouTube channel , writing jokes in an age of constant outrage, and why he approach

Young people today are having less sex than previous generations, and according to journalist Carter Sherman , the reasons go far beyond dating apps. Carter joins Talia Schlanger to discuss her book The Second Coming: Sex and the Next Generation's Fight Over Its Future , exploring how economic pressures, changing attitudes toward relationships, evolving ideas about consent, and technology are resh

“The disability community is the only marginalized community that everyone will experience at some point in their lives,” says Spencer West . He is a motivational speaker, disability advocate, and content creator who lost both of his legs when he was 5 years old. Spencer’s new book is called Breaking Free and in this conversation he tells Talia Schlanger how he learned to proudly embrace his disab

Why are powerful people so concerned with what artists can and can’t say? Talia Schlanger sits down with comedian and free speech advocate Judy Gold to discuss censorship, comedy, and why attacks on artistic expression should concern everyone. Judy shares stories from her book “Yes, I Can Say That: When They Come for the Comedians, We Are All in Trouble.” She also reflects on what she learned work

What makes a community feel like home? Acclaimed singer-songwriter William Prince joins Talia Schlanger to reflect on growing up on the Peguis First Nation, the lessons he's carried forward from his family and community, and the parts of his past he's had to unlearn. William shares stories about grief, identity, belonging, and the power of storytelling, drawing on themes from his latest album Furt

What happens when internet fame doesn't make you feel any less alone? Musician and viral sensation bbno$ joins Talia Schlanger for the very first episode of That Said . With more than a billion streams and millions of followers , bbno$ has built a massive career online—but away from the memes and viral moments, he’s confronting questions about isolation, ambition, and what it means to be fulfilled

Welcome to a show that doesn’t skim the surface. That Said with Talia Schlanger is where intelligence and curiosity meet great conversation. Join us for in-depth interviews with artists, celebrities and public figures about their work, their life and the ideas shaping how they see the world. Plus, there’s Article Club: a thoughtful deep dive into a must-read piece of writing, unpacking the cultura